Loved the article JW. The .357 cartridge was created by Winchester for S&W in the 1930's and used in the "N" frame S&W. Hilary Hole. I do all right in my gun clubs practical pistol matches. The pre-1971 Model 19 is a classicthat earned its reputation. Wood grips look great but the hogue monogrip made this gun become part of your hand. 5 more deals from grabagun.com . They are obviously target stocks on both guns. revolver on the big N-frame and had been doing so since 1935. In fast fire I had to learn to feel for it, but it certainly lets you know right before the hammer falls. Mine is a 19-4 from 1980, blued, with a 4 inch barrel. What about single hand fire with a medium-framed .357? My slow times were simply due to the triggers cycle time. Great write-up, JWT. My dad was a right handed shooter, and routinely carried his duty revolver on his left side, with the butt of the gun facing forward, so he could easily Cross Draw for just that reason. Firearm Specifications SKU: 12040 Model: Model 19 Classic Caliber: 357 Magnum 38 S&W SPECIAL P Capacity: 6 Not only will these shoot sub 1.5 @25 yd they will shoot sub 2 @ 50 yds. As far as my high school pistol team, no we did not have one. While purest will focus on the changes, I found myself appreciating how much that Smith actually got right. fire. S&W Model 19 Classic .357 Magnum "Combat Master Reborn"!Re-Introduced after 19 years, the Classic has upgraded features but still keeps the Spirit of the ear. I look forward to seeing what Smith does in the future. As I look back on it now, that was a foolish thing to do. What I cant decide is whether the Model 19 is $300 better than the Ruger. The DA will tell the jury that you are a careless gun owner and not to be believed in your self-defensive testimony. Let us help build a firearm based on your needs - select from a range of calibers, capacities, safety preferences and compliance requirements. The Model 19 Classic features a handsome set of walnut grips, a 4.25" barrel, a black adjustable rear and red ramp front sights. Notify me of follow-up comments by email. Back in the day, theModel 19 wasdescribed as the perfect combat Magnum. For a service grade carry revolver, the 19, especially with a 4 barrel, is ideal. View. From what Ive seen it seems that vented and non vented barrels are a wash in mid length barrels (a 5 Coonan generates velocities similar to a 5 revo lver) but the longer the bullet stays in the barrel the more is lost out the gap, so snubbies dont lose as much. S&W Model 19 Classic Specifications. Smith and wesson midel 41 issues again. The Smith & Wesson Model 19 Combat Magnumwasone of the most beloved handguns ever made. There are even some exceptions where collectors have paid over $2000 for this revolver. You are here. As I pointed out below the true full pressure stuff is the Buff alo Bore, Double Tap, etc. Its just about perfect for personal protection, and it makes a darn good trail gun, too. The first Model 19 came off the production line in November of 1955, 65 years ago. Thanks RobC, I actually have one available at the shop, but ultimately, I find little use in them. No tool marks or poor fitting, but no embellishments either. New Pietta Gunfighter - wife won this for me in a gun My lil mistake: 1st issue Colt Police Positive Special in Press J to jump to the feed. I tend to replace guns when I find something better. To each his own. Ruger LCP vs Smith & Wesson Model 19 Classic 4.25" Ruger LCP. This revolver features rubber grips and is offered with a 2.75-inch barrel, as well as the standard 4.25-inch barrel. Why the author a writer would decide to use the word obligatory is a question. The Smith & Wesson Model 43 C is an AirWeight variation of our Centennial Model. For someone like me, with size large hands, the Model 19 is simply a joy. . Lighter and tougher and more precise than ever, it's the perfect back country hunting rifle. (Unfortunately, I didnt have any speed loaders.) (Pistols which have hammers sometimes feel a little better.) The thinner stocks, combined with the tapered profile, caused the pistol, with stout loads, to ride up in the hand. It put my finger in an ideal position on the trigger, and gaveme a great platform for my thumb for either hand. Ive never cleaned a gun Ive reviewed before before, but I felt duty bound to put this one back in same shape in which I got it. Bought a S&W model 19 as a on Duty revolver in 1970. But my needs are different from other peoples. View Deal . The K-frame S&W carries surprisingly well in a quality, high ride holster. I thought that aspect was improved with a thicker forcing cone. Wide, thick, and with a great shelf for the thumb, the standard wood grips look good and provide excellent control of the gun. At $117 at the time they were a deal. Do you experience the same problem with magnum pistol calibers? But if you want to become really proficient shooting this gun,the .38/.357 combo is the way you want to go. The new S&W has two simple, but fatal, flaws. For several decades now S&W has had the attitude that they will build whatever they want and if the consumer doesnt like it, TOUGH SHIT, Im no longer willing to live with that attitude, too many good, older guns out there to settle for less. Rough as it looked, the Model 39 delivered a solid shooting experience. Introduced in the late 1950s, the Model 19 was the result of a collaborative effort between famed Border Patrol agent, gunfighter and author Bill Jordan and Smith & Wesson. You just can't ask for more in a revolver. As a note, good on whoever owned and maintained this revolver before I got it. breadcrumb. Joseph Von Benedikt visits with Aaron Oelger from Hodgdon about the unprecedented demand on the shooting supply industry. And get yourself a damn trigger scale! All three guns are rated for .38 Special +P ammunition and hold six shots. Theyre all still with me all these decades later, still flawless, still accurate, still the same superb double action trigger pull. In my view, S&W needs to reissue the Model 19/66s, only beefed up in the right parts, without turning the guns into boat anchors! It's based on the N frame, larger and now with an eight-round cylinder instead of the six of the 19 and earlier N frames. While not nearly as pretty as the Model 19, the Ruger is not likely to wear out from a steady diet of .357s. I HAVE A NICE COLLECTION OF GUNS WITH SOME EXAMPLES OF MODELS I USED IN MY CAREER. Right. Design and production of new firearms is always a trade-off. We shot a combination of full magnum loads as well as lighter .38 Special loads during two different range trips. I even tried different magazines. Shop Smith & Wesson magnum revolvers & revolver pistols at Academy Sports + Outdoors. They often have nice, polished metal with smooth lines that are visually and even tactilely appealing. The current Smith & Wesson info page lists the Model 19 as having a barrel length of 4.25 inches, an overall length of 9.875 inches, and a weight of 37.2 ounces. I dunno. It sounds like a timing issue, but I'm not that experienced at gunsmithing, mostly just hobby tinkering. Just picked one up last week. It is a sleek, good looking, pistol with great lines and a blue finish. I cannot further condone the use of such folly. View Deal . Loved my first Dan Wesson so much I had to get another one, Twins, Ruger Blackhawks .357 Mag 50th Anniversary Edition. Still have my Model 19 6 bought new in 1977, purchased to accompany my .30-06 on hunting trips The one modification made to it was rounding the grip to allow for a more comfortable grip. There is nothing wrong with the new classic model 19. The medium-size double-action revolver was first produced in 1896 in .32 S&W Long. Aluminum alloy frame and cylinder Stainless steel barrel XS Sights White Dot front sight Caliber: 357 Magnum, .38 Special; Capacity: 6 Zero issues with a variety of rounds and a lot of magnum caliber shooting. The new, reintroduced Model 19 .357 Magnum K-Frame revolver is offered with a 4.25-inch barrel, a six-shot cylinder, a polished blued finish, walnut grips, an adjustable rear sight, and a red-ramp front sight. Smith has also installed a ball/detent crane lock, and of course, the new 19 has the obligatory key lock. I just recently bought a 4 stainless Ruger Security Six in great condition for $325. The solutions to the issues presented will be discussed in this article. Of course they often come with outstanding grips that feel really nice. The suggested retail price for the firearm ranges from $599 to $669. Clearly, Im no Jerry Miculek. That seems OK when I measure it with a feeler gauge. Smith has expanded their Classic line of revolvers to include thirteen models. thats why I dont bother with home brew re-loads. The Smith & Wesson R8 is everything the iconic Model 19 was and even more. $26.00. Yet still they have less that great SA triggers. Then again, I dont think we had home economics either, as girls learned to cook from their moms. On a S&W, thats 0.002. Model 19 Classic Smith & Wesson hickok45 7.16M subscribers Subscribe 253K views 4 years ago Shooting and discussing the new S&W Model 19 Classic. The revolver dons a highly polished, blued finish and traditional thumbpiece . Of course they are built like a tank and stand up to thousands of rounds of full power loads. In 1957 Smith & Wesson gave its handguns a number designation, and the blued-steel medium-frame .357 Magnum model was named the Model 19. SKU: 12040. However, the Queen of the K-frames is, and will always be the Model 19 Combat Magnum. I prefer the new Colt King Cobra instead. It was a 4 inch blued model 19 the had Idaho State Police on the side of it. The Gold Dot averaged 1,372 fps while the Agulia load averaged 1,178 fps. Daily carry requires a good holster. The author refers to the new Model 19, like the old model, not being able to sustain much use of full power 357 Mag loads. Theyre a true shooters shooter. obligatory key lock. The Model 19 Classic is a great addition to the Smith & Wesson line and will hopefully renew the interest in wheelguns for new shooters. They had over a 90% one shot stop record. Theres just no comparison. You can do a lot with a medium-size .357 Magnum/.38 Special double-action revolver. It is also a sleek, good looking pistol with great lines and a very nice finish. That little hole above the cylinder release is my main turn off with S&W revolvers. That said, Ill NEVER relieve myself of any of my 19s. I still love all of the Smith K frames and the L frames are a close second. The Model 66 quickly became the preferred service pistol for law enforcement agencies across the country. The workaround:shoot range sessions with .38 specials, carry .357 Magnums for hunting and self-defense. Ill spend the extra money to buy an older, truly Classic model from now on. Federal has created a safer, easier and more reliable way to shoot a muzzleloader. Wood you would probably have to pay extra for nowadays, but was the standard when people cared about more than whatever was $5 cheaper than the gun next to it. You have entered an incorrect email address! Bill Jordan was right; the Model 19 points like your finger. The old Smith revolvers are definitely cool, and polished internals make them even more so. Unlike most of my reviews, I had to leave the gun idle for a couple of weeks between sessions, so I did a basic field cleaning at round 150 and a full detail strip and clean once I finished. It violates the first rule of reliability-keep it simple stupid. With the right load a .30-30 can take deer out to 300 yards. The keyhole is not obligatory because they still make some popular models (e.g. But it never got close to breaking that 1 mark. Also, I have only seen a model 19 with those squared front sights one other time. BE SURE to watch the Chapter 2 follow-up. Feeding Problem. I prefer to shoot .357s loaded down to .38 velocities. Contrast all that with a semi-auto pistol. Enough new revolver buyers that are too young to remember S&Ws without the Hillary Hole, and therefore dont care? Thats all I can think of? Exclusive: Made in America! The new revolvers sound tempting, but theres that Hillary Hole that S&W persists in forcing on us. The single-action trigger pull averaged 4.0 pounds, 12.0 ounces with my RCBS trigger-pull scale, and the double-action pull was 13.0 pounds. Yes sir. But the Model 19 Classic was up to the challenge. I carried the M19 for two different departments in the mid 1980s. First time I took it to the range, it malfuctioned after maybe 30 magnum rounds. I love the model 19 but I hate the built-in gun lock. He obviously doesnt realize that the cylinder comes to a complete stop when the hammer is falling and stays that way until the noise happens and the bullet is long gone. I had a -3 round butt that I couldnt shoot worth a darn. I started my 43 year Law Enforcement Career with a stainless model-19 4 barrel. Im getting a Ruger or a Colt. Can you imagine what given the huge jump in tech of bullet construction a 110-125gr full house max psi load would do by the old loading standards. I find them to carry better all day and be more nimble and quicker to get into action from a holster than the larger frame Smiths. In 1963, a 6 model was introduced, and, in 1966, a 2 barrel, round butt model was introduced. Over the years the blued K-Frame Model 19 has been offered with 2.5-, 4.0-, and 6.0-inch barrels. Longer bullets are guided by the cylinder throat and thus are not impacting the lower barrel throat as with shorter bullets. Smith & Wesson Model 69, 4.25" Barrel, 44 Magnum . People who load their own should be aware that the worries about the flame-cut of the topstrap is only one issue with stout loads. I CARRIED A 4 NICKEL AS A ROOKIE IN 1974, AND WHEN I WENT TO VICE/NARCTICS A 2 1/2 ONE. But as long as S&W insist on putting a frame saftey on them, theyve lost my business. Primer was hit but no go bang. 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The Model 19 is one of the latest models in the Classic line Smith & Wesson introduced in 2014, and you'd be hard pressed to find a more popular revolver in S&W's history. During the sixties and seventies, the Model 19s were works of art with pinned barrels, recessed cylinders, and the walnut magna stocks were hand-fitted to each frame. EXACTLY you never see that angle in any of their marketing, promo or catalog photos. I am surprised with precision standards as high as you seem to have you did not bother to try the ammo that bullseye comp shooters use to leg out in Distinguish Revolver division that requires ub 2 groups @ 50 yards.. About 60 rounds in I started having a problem where the gun would not cock and fire in either single or double action when the cylinder spun to one specific chamber. Feature Articles, But it was nowhere near as classy as this thing looks. But I have to admit, I was expecting a little better. The Model 19 was also offered in nickel finish. And give us the shining gems of the earlier days. Any of you bought the new Model 19? My first one we carried it with the old FBI load of Winchester 158 gr. Check Price . [emailprotected] [emailprotected] from 6 barrel ouch!! Le/Mil Only. Build Learn more MSRP: $ 1289.00 SKU: 12039 357 Magnum Caliber 6 Rounds Capacity K-Frame Frame Size Weight: 34.2 oz. Also the new gun has a barrel with burned in rifling (edm machine) and has MIM internal cast parts. The ranges are shorter and all that matters is hitting the target somewhere. Side Refine Panel. It was this issue that motivated Smith to introduce the L frame series. Joseph Von Benedikt is with Rafe Nielsen of Browning to take a look at a new X-Bolt series rifle. I regret firing the 6, but I will no fire the 4. In my eyes, it's one of the sexiest revolvers ever made. The single action trigger never moved the sights, the sight radius is long for a pistol, and the grip gave me a rock solid hold. Despite plenty of time on the range and a lotof time dry firing, I still cant shoot this gun fast. The Model 19 for this review is a used gun, manufacturedsometime between 1967-70. It is a beautiful paperweight, though. 1 more deal from guns.com . $695.00: 0 $695.00 $795.00: 4d 20h 13m 17173144. But I am often surprised by the stupidity of others. I love the 19 more than anything and prize them, evwn over my new Sig P226, Mt25 Romeo, I will pick up next week when I get back home from a cruise. No go; not with MIM parts. The Model 19 Classic revolver features a handsome set of walnut grips, a 4.25 barrel, a black adjustable rear sight, and red ramp front sight. FTX round, I got 1.5 groups, with one as small as 1.25. There seems to be a problem serving the request at this time. I have several S&W revolvers now, but damn, would I like to have that one back. All accuracy testing was conducted at 25 yards with the revolver mounted in a Ransom Rest. You can also buy lighter rebound springs for the S&W. Makes the older mint ones a bargain at $800-$1000. One thing that struck me was that you were disappointed with all sub 2 groups from 25yds from just a bag even. My problem would be waiting for S&W to replace it! Every group from all variety of ammo loads are smaller than 2 @25 yards and you were disappointed? But you have to know how to bullseye shoot and or be off a rest or full ransom. Then I add one or two more targets at various distances but none more than seven yards and practice fast transitions from target to target. Is the cylinder binding up? No flame cutting, erosion or apparent weakening of the frame. Using the same bullet weight and barrel length, the standard .357 Magnum is still travelling as fast or faster at 100 yards than the 9mm+P is at 50 yards. Two-handed, it gave me plenty of real estate for an absolutely rock-solid hold on the mid-framed Magnum. Hands-On Review of the Smith & Wesson Equalizer, Savage Arms Introduces Iconic 1911 Government Model Pistols. The Smith & Wesson Classics series of revolvers have been enhanced with modern internal components, but mimic the look and feel of classic models. That DA will try to sway the jurors that since you removed the lock, that shows an attitude of looking for a gunfight, and so forth, ad nausea. Older kids may find a way to unlock the gun and anyone could steal the gun and unlock it later. If you have a M19, then you gotta get a M27. Speers .38 +P 125 grain Gold Dot was very controllable at a mild 888 fps. The only reliable gun safety is between the shooters ears. . The info pages further adds that, "The Smith & Wesson Classics series of revolvers have been enhanced with modern internal components, but mimic the look and feel of classic models. What is your 8 based off of? It has been said of the k frame. Model 19 Classic Smith & Wesson. Most people arent collectors and dont have the knowledge about particular guns and their history and gun manufacturing. With a competent smith, the options are limited only by their time and your money. We also noticed that the new stocks are slimmer than the originals. The noise will come from the cylinder. I carried it until I bought a 686 when it came out. 1) The so-called Hillary Hole, I thought I could live with it when I bought my M-27 Classic.every time I look at the left side of the revolver, that freakin lock gets a little uglier, its become a deal breaker. We are all showing our age here when complaining about the Hillary Hole, MIM parts, shrouded barrels. 244.99 . I retired as aFederal Det/Lt carrying a Sig P228. So in 1975, my first Model 19 arrived with all the target goodie options. I can appreciate this comment, however, Ive always considered my sidearm (pistol) as a close quarters (probably within 10 yards) defensive weapon. I hope there are some gunleather fans on here! I put the gun away for the day. I began handgunning with revolvers. The revolvers cylinder is fluted and holds six rounds of .357 Magnum or .38 Special ammunition. The Lawyer Lock aperture AKA the Hillary Hole that can prevent a shooter from getting a round off makes this gun worthless as a defensive weapon. I still have it and enjoyed many pistol qualifications over the years. I have a Model 66 no dash 4 made in the early 70s. Im going to blame this on clearing six inches worth of barrel. Certainly not close to the almost glass break SA of the S&W revolver usually 3.5lb. Get the best deals on smith wesson model 19 when you shop the largest online selection at eBay.com. Not sure why the author feels it is slow. And it provides a nice increase in muzzle velocity over 2-inch and 3-inch barrels. Remember, that conversation took place in 1954 before medium-frame .357 Magnum double-action revolvers became common in the industry. Theyll be topped with 95grain scallop jhps from Remington with enough hp38 to hit 1000fps out of 2inch barrels. I felt well armed with either. Apparently, Gallery of Guns sells 5 GP100 with a satin finish. The K-frame is, IMO, the less desirable frame than the L frame in .357s when hurling the 158s downrange with a stout load of powder behind them. Yet the 9mm they have allowed to creep up more and more trying to get this cartridge to a decent level. I have carried countless S&W revolvers over the years. Most officers simply never fired enough rounds through their revolvers during their careers for this to be an issue. . If dirt gets in there, who knows if the gun will fire. Thats there most, if any K-frame magnums failed. I, tried tah o ce myself when I was a Boss for the first time. In a day where 4-6 barrel revolvers were found in duty holsters. You could also just grind down the cam on the lock arm. Either two-handed or one-handed, double action or single action, this gun shot very well. its my understanding the weakness issue at the front of the top strap was solved with the 19-4. Smith & Wesson Model 686 .357 Magnum/.38 S&W Special +P Revolver $ 919 99 919 dollars 99 cents. So many guns, so little money! If the pistol has a striker, you cannot feel anything as you pull the trigger other than taking up the often considerable slack and spring tension. My lightweight polymer auto-loader seems a bit more soulless every time I look at it. After I was happy with my basic performance, it was off to the range. Possible causes include the use of ammunition that is incompatible with the revolver. These are ammo for my wifes snub battery. Ive owned and let go of (through trades and whatnot) more K-Frame revolvers than I care to disclose. A high quality .357 Magnum revolver with a 5-inch barrel (starts daydreaming about it). 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